Wednesday, April 2, 2008

A trip down memoranda lane

"Yeah, you see, we're putting the suspects on boards now before they get tortured. Did you see the memo about this?"

"Yeah. I've got the memo right here, but, uh, uh, I just forgot. But, uh, we're not supposed to torture even during wartime, so there's no problem."

"Yeah. If you could just go ahead and make sure you do that from now on, that will be great. And, uh, I'll go ahead and make sure you get another copy of that memo, mmmkay?"


okjimm said...

"Our previous opinions make clear that customary international law is not federal law and that the president is free to override it at his discretion,"

Gees, it kinda sounds like my ex-wife.

"I am right, unless I am wrong and then I have the right to decide that wrong is right."
~ex-Mrs. OK

I like this one, too.

"Contrariwise, if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic."
~Lewis Carroll

I am into quotes this days. But don't quote me on that. The memo is in the mail.

Have a good day. Or reasonable facsimile.

FranIAm said...

Feeling a little less than peace-filled after my post, I thought I would wander over here. Cthulu be damned, you never disappoint!

""The whole point of the memo is obviously to nullify every possible legal restraint on the president's wartime authority," Jaffer said. "The memo was meant to allow torture, and that's exactly what it did.""

Yes- your point is?

FranIAm said...

P.S. One of my most favoritest bestest goodest movies.


And the soundtrack...Damn, it's good to be a gangsta! Which kind of circles back to this post, no?


Liberality said...

yeah, my outrage has been going on for so long and about so many things that after awhile I just can't be as outraged as I should be. wearing me down they are. and they call themselves moral and Christian? where is their shame?

Dean Wormer said...

"Our previous opinions make clear that customary international law is not federal law and that the president is free to override it at his discretion," said the memo written by John Yoo, who was then deputy assistant attorney general for the Office of Legal Counsel.

Strange. My rudimentary understanding of the constitution is that treaties ratified by the Senate and signed by previous presidents supercedes federal law.

I'm almost certain we've ratified some treaties that say a thing or two about torture.

But then I'm not a high-falutin' lawyer like Yoo.

b said...

P.S. "I'm gonna need you to come in this weekend.... and next weekend, mmmkay?"BASTARDS!!

Tom Harper said...

Um, yeah, and since we have so many prisoners that need to be waterboarded, I'm gonna go ahead and have you come in on Sunday to do some waterboarding. OK? Thanks, buh bye.

Randal Graves said...

okjimm, so what you're saying is that Spontaneous Logic Reversal only works for exes and Warriors of the Eternal Struggle? Dammit.

fran, Synchronicity is an album that is good. John Yoo is a human that is not. See, this is why your place bugs me. You make these excellent, very human (read: we're all flawed) pleas for bettering ourselves and such, then fuckers like Yoo skip down the path, singing a jaunty tune as he jams the shiv in our metaphorical back. Embrace misanthropy, Fran.

liberality, that's exactly how it feels. "Oh, we're even more Extra Evil than we were before? Okay. Hey, what should we have for dinner?"

dean, I'm trying to imagine the concept that he's employed as an instructor. If you're not jonesing for a neocon job, and you need his class, do you bite your lip when he speaks, do you throw Molotov cocktails at him, do you castigate him through snarkery, knowing full well that you'll get that F?

And how quickly we forget: treaties are just goddamn pieces of paper, too.

b, torture is a seven-days-a-week gig!

tom, I would equate the American people with Milton, but he sort of wins in the end, the crappy service notwithstanding.

TomCat said...

The only reason they are releasing this now is in an attempt to indemnify the torturers, and to a greater extent, those who authorized the torture, from prosecution, based on the claim that that were acting in good faith that what they were doing/authorizing was legal.

dguzman said...

Dean Wormer said the magic words: treaties ratified by congress and signed by the president are, according to the Constitution, "the law of the land" and supersede everything. And NO ONE has the authority to decide otherwise. Not Gonzo, not the president, not Darth Cheney, not the Supreme Court, not anyone. They might as well throw that "goddamned piece of paper" out with the trash, because it's all over. When they blatantly violate the law, then issue "memos" and pretend that gives them the right to violate the law--it's just all over.

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Candace said...

"Spontaneous Logic Reversal" - good one!

I came up with one the other day about Hillary "misspeaking." How about, "Vocabulary Malfunction."


Randal Graves said...

tomcat, if I didn't know any better, I'd say that you believe their reasons to not be altruistic. But I know better. ;-)

dguzman, we all better hope a Dem gets in, because for all of their flaws compared to The Mythical Uber-Progressive Archetype, the alternative is a continuation of exactly that. And we all know that, barring hundreds of thousands taking to the streets, it'll continue.

anon, yeah, I'm going to need you to move your desk to the basement.

candace, now I'm thinking of that Carlin bit about how our language gladly moves to the next, less-offensive-to-the-ears, euphemism. ;-)

b said...

Yes, yes, it is!!!

Function of Time said...

HHmmm, I wonder what that TPS report would say?

Distributorcap said...

Mr WHipple please dont squeeze the constitution.

too late, tons of bush shit all over it already

Randal Graves said...

b, hey, turrists don't torture themselves!

fot, I'm sure something similar to what's contained in these PDFs.

dcap, ha ha, Mr. Whipple! I say we dig him up and run him for President.

FranIAm said...

"ran, Synchronicity is an album that is good. John Yoo is a human that is not. See, this is why your place bugs me. You make these excellent, very human (read: we're all flawed) pleas for bettering ourselves and such, then fuckers like Yoo skip down the path, singing a jaunty tune as he jams the shiv in our metaphorical back. Embrace misanthropy, Fran."

I do love you Randal Graves, I truly do.

Miss Anthrope

TomCat said...

Riiiiight! ;-)

Randal Graves said...

Hey Miss A, the check is in the mail.

tomcat, forget what I just typed. ;-)

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